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	<title>Comments on: Monarchy vs. Democracy and The Decline of Civilization</title>
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	<description>Government is immoral, unnecessary, and doesn&#039;t work!</description>
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		<title>By: Julien Peter Benney</title>
		<link>http://libertariananarchy.com/2009/06/monarchy-vs-democracy-and-the-decline-of-civilization/comment-page-1/#comment-4157</link>
		<dc:creator>Julien Peter Benney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 10:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discussing the problem of monarchic succession is an interesting point in view of a question I have been curious about ever since I first touched Hoppe&#039;s book.

This is whether a theocratic nonhereditary monarchy, like the Papacy or perhaps the lamas in Tibet, should be considered superior to hereditary monarchies in terms of time preference. A monarch in this type of monarchy is less likely to die without a successor: well-defined rules form the entire basis of succession.

It also would, since only celibate males can enter, be more difficult for theocratic nonhereditary monarchy to gain the legitimacy of the governed - which practically restricts it to people of the same religion. More than that, the way in which leaders are trained ought to reduce the risk of what Hoppe terms &quot;bad&quot; people entering the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discussing the problem of monarchic succession is an interesting point in view of a question I have been curious about ever since I first touched Hoppe&#8217;s book.</p>
<p>This is whether a theocratic nonhereditary monarchy, like the Papacy or perhaps the lamas in Tibet, should be considered superior to hereditary monarchies in terms of time preference. A monarch in this type of monarchy is less likely to die without a successor: well-defined rules form the entire basis of succession.</p>
<p>It also would, since only celibate males can enter, be more difficult for theocratic nonhereditary monarchy to gain the legitimacy of the governed &#8211; which practically restricts it to people of the same religion. More than that, the way in which leaders are trained ought to reduce the risk of what Hoppe terms &#8220;bad&#8221; people entering the system.</p>
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		<title>By: bandit a la mode</title>
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		<dc:creator>bandit a la mode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would recommend you turn to the writers of the enlightenment, our problems are really nothing new.
Thomas Hobbes, Benjamin Franklin, David Hume, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would recommend you turn to the writers of the enlightenment, our problems are really nothing new.<br />
Thomas Hobbes, Benjamin Franklin, David Hume, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: bandit a la mode</title>
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		<dc:creator>bandit a la mode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve sardonically pointed out a lot of problems, bravo. Forgive me if it doesn&#039;t sounds very constructive in the end. We all have the capacity to see the negative...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve sardonically pointed out a lot of problems, bravo. Forgive me if it doesn&#8217;t sounds very constructive in the end. We all have the capacity to see the negative&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bandit a la mode</title>
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		<dc:creator>bandit a la mode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;civilization is crumbling: war, poverty, crime, debt, disease, social dysfunction, family breakdown, hedonism, etc. &quot;
Have these not always plagued the human condition? I think a historical perspective, even a brief one, would be helpful to the writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;civilization is crumbling: war, poverty, crime, debt, disease, social dysfunction, family breakdown, hedonism, etc. &#8221;<br />
Have these not always plagued the human condition? I think a historical perspective, even a brief one, would be helpful to the writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Civil War was started when the South seceeded due to tariffs that they felt were unfair.  Lincoln only freed the slaves after 2 years as a tactic to help win the war.  He wanted to ship all blacks back to Africa, as he didn&#039;t feel the nation would survive with such diversity.  

Certainly slavery was a hotly debated issue at the time, but it was not the primary motivation behind the South&#039;s secession and subsequent war.  It&#039;s weird how we&#039;re only taught about the slavery aspect in school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Civil War was started when the South seceeded due to tariffs that they felt were unfair.  Lincoln only freed the slaves after 2 years as a tactic to help win the war.  He wanted to ship all blacks back to Africa, as he didn&#8217;t feel the nation would survive with such diversity.  </p>
<p>Certainly slavery was a hotly debated issue at the time, but it was not the primary motivation behind the South&#8217;s secession and subsequent war.  It&#8217;s weird how we&#8217;re only taught about the slavery aspect in school.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Matesz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Matesz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Toban,

Interesting.  This helps explain why traditional China, &quot;run&quot; by emperors, had relative liberty compared to these days.

In China, a common practice closed the distance between hereditary rulers and ruled: the emperor sent his sons to be raised and educated by Confucian/Taoist sages, known as shih-fu (teaching fathers), who did their best to teach the heirs humane values and principles of successful rule.  This is why the Tao Teh Ching has numerous advices on ruling, such as keeping taxes low, avoiding war, etc.  It is obvious the book was written to educate rulers, not the ruled.

Landowners in imperial China generally were expected to give their sons to tenants to be raised with and live the hard life for some years. The sons thus came to love their surrogate parents, as well as their friends, relatives, etc.  This is how Chinese savants put &quot;filial affection&quot; to use to humanize traditional Chinese society.

This book seems to mark a turning away from democracy long needed.  Of course people stuck in &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; who don&#039;t understand spontaneous order will defend democracy (to avoid cognitive dissonance) and laugh at it. They should spend a few years in Africa or Afghanistan.  New paradigms take over when adherents of the old die off.

Those who ask for an example of a successful anarchical society show extreme historicism, believing if it hasn&#039;t already happened it can&#039;t happen ever.  They&#039;re like people who scoffed at the American experiment, or at the idea that man could create a flying machine, or a bomb that could destroy an entire nation.  The don&#039;t understand the Black Swan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Toban,</p>
<p>Interesting.  This helps explain why traditional China, &#8220;run&#8221; by emperors, had relative liberty compared to these days.</p>
<p>In China, a common practice closed the distance between hereditary rulers and ruled: the emperor sent his sons to be raised and educated by Confucian/Taoist sages, known as shih-fu (teaching fathers), who did their best to teach the heirs humane values and principles of successful rule.  This is why the Tao Teh Ching has numerous advices on ruling, such as keeping taxes low, avoiding war, etc.  It is obvious the book was written to educate rulers, not the ruled.</p>
<p>Landowners in imperial China generally were expected to give their sons to tenants to be raised with and live the hard life for some years. The sons thus came to love their surrogate parents, as well as their friends, relatives, etc.  This is how Chinese savants put &#8220;filial affection&#8221; to use to humanize traditional Chinese society.</p>
<p>This book seems to mark a turning away from democracy long needed.  Of course people stuck in &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; who don&#8217;t understand spontaneous order will defend democracy (to avoid cognitive dissonance) and laugh at it. They should spend a few years in Africa or Afghanistan.  New paradigms take over when adherents of the old die off.</p>
<p>Those who ask for an example of a successful anarchical society show extreme historicism, believing if it hasn&#8217;t already happened it can&#8217;t happen ever.  They&#8217;re like people who scoffed at the American experiment, or at the idea that man could create a flying machine, or a bomb that could destroy an entire nation.  The don&#8217;t understand the Black Swan.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair ZX81</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinclair ZX81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pleeeze ppl!  

Capitalism is the insatiable beast that&#039;s eating your children!  

This putrid vermin, and those who grow fat suckling at it, seek to consume your soul and befoul you with their materialistic excrement.  

While they pick over your entrails, they will provide the entertainment in form of a puppet show. It&#039;s the Punch and Judy republicrat distraction hour!  It&#039;s fun because you&#039;re led to believe that you&#039;re an actual participant! Don&#039;t forget to get your vote.  It&#039;s only one dollar!

But really, they just want you fat and happy.  Why not try some of their freshest excrement.  It &quot;looks&quot; like the food, goods, and services you used to know, but it&#039;s improved by them and for them, to make it easier to sell to you. So sink your teeth in and don&#039;t mind the smell.

Don&#039;t you understand that it&#039;s all for your benefit?  They&#039;re making life cheaper for you!  Look at all they&#039;ve saved for you by cutting out that expensive local labor. And so what if the food had to be replaced with petrochemicals; it ships better.    

And don&#039;t worry your pretty head with edukashun.  An informed populace might start thinking about 2 and 2 and how they add up, and that&#039;ll just make you worry, which is not &quot;happy&quot;.

So stay fat, stay stupid, and take your soma.

Do I sound bitter?
Sinclair</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pleeeze ppl!  </p>
<p>Capitalism is the insatiable beast that&#8217;s eating your children!  </p>
<p>This putrid vermin, and those who grow fat suckling at it, seek to consume your soul and befoul you with their materialistic excrement.  </p>
<p>While they pick over your entrails, they will provide the entertainment in form of a puppet show. It&#8217;s the Punch and Judy republicrat distraction hour!  It&#8217;s fun because you&#8217;re led to believe that you&#8217;re an actual participant! Don&#8217;t forget to get your vote.  It&#8217;s only one dollar!</p>
<p>But really, they just want you fat and happy.  Why not try some of their freshest excrement.  It &#8220;looks&#8221; like the food, goods, and services you used to know, but it&#8217;s improved by them and for them, to make it easier to sell to you. So sink your teeth in and don&#8217;t mind the smell.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you understand that it&#8217;s all for your benefit?  They&#8217;re making life cheaper for you!  Look at all they&#8217;ve saved for you by cutting out that expensive local labor. And so what if the food had to be replaced with petrochemicals; it ships better.    </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t worry your pretty head with edukashun.  An informed populace might start thinking about 2 and 2 and how they add up, and that&#8217;ll just make you worry, which is not &#8220;happy&#8221;.</p>
<p>So stay fat, stay stupid, and take your soma.</p>
<p>Do I sound bitter?<br />
Sinclair</p>
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		<title>By: Australia votes down Climate bill. - DIY Mobile Audio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Australia votes down Climate bill. - DIY Mobile Audio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recovering.   *I had started writing a HUGE rebuttal, and was referencing some sources, and found this page. Even tho I am FAR from being so easily defined as a liberal (or Conservitive for that matter) this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David N. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>David N. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition, I want practical advice.    I would like someone to be able to provide a description of what will likely happen during the last few years to the last few days of our democracy?  What form of government will likely follow?   Mostly I would like to know what I should do to prepare on a personal level.   For example, what form should one&#039;s wealth be in?  Where should one live?   What kind of jobs, occupations, or skills should one have?    

One last thing.  We need to accept that where we are is exactly where we are supposed to be given our DNA and the sum of our experience.  Those are the only two factors that play in to where we are and where we are heading.    There is no one to blame and no one can turn us from this path.   For myself and my family, it is time to quit fighting the inevitable and prepare for what is to come.   If there isn&#039;t already, I think there should be a forum dedicated to this idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition, I want practical advice.    I would like someone to be able to provide a description of what will likely happen during the last few years to the last few days of our democracy?  What form of government will likely follow?   Mostly I would like to know what I should do to prepare on a personal level.   For example, what form should one&#8217;s wealth be in?  Where should one live?   What kind of jobs, occupations, or skills should one have?    </p>
<p>One last thing.  We need to accept that where we are is exactly where we are supposed to be given our DNA and the sum of our experience.  Those are the only two factors that play in to where we are and where we are heading.    There is no one to blame and no one can turn us from this path.   For myself and my family, it is time to quit fighting the inevitable and prepare for what is to come.   If there isn&#8217;t already, I think there should be a forum dedicated to this idea.</p>
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		<title>By: David N. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>David N. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have come to the point that I recognize that this democracy and probably the rest of the western democracies are soon going to fail.   I am not going to argue this point.   

With my belief in mind, can someone tell me if there are any groups or writers out there who has quit blaming this or that group.  Is there anyone out there who recognizes that where we are at politically, socially, economically etc., is an inevitable result of our DNA and the sum total of our experience?  Is there any group or writer that understands that there is nothing that will be done or can be done turn us from this inevitable decline?  

And if there is such a person or group that accepts the inevitability of what is happening, do they have any advice for us who also accept the above, what we should do to prepare for the coming failure of our democratic system?  I want to go beyond forums that simply for the protection of our right to bear arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have come to the point that I recognize that this democracy and probably the rest of the western democracies are soon going to fail.   I am not going to argue this point.   </p>
<p>With my belief in mind, can someone tell me if there are any groups or writers out there who has quit blaming this or that group.  Is there anyone out there who recognizes that where we are at politically, socially, economically etc., is an inevitable result of our DNA and the sum total of our experience?  Is there any group or writer that understands that there is nothing that will be done or can be done turn us from this inevitable decline?  </p>
<p>And if there is such a person or group that accepts the inevitability of what is happening, do they have any advice for us who also accept the above, what we should do to prepare for the coming failure of our democratic system?  I want to go beyond forums that simply for the protection of our right to bear arms.</p>
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